by Kalungi
Conversational short-form marketing strategies, frameworks, and tactical advice to help early-stage B2B software (SaaS) companies on their journeys from MVP to PMF and beyond. Hosted by Brian Graf, CEO at Kalungi, and Stijn Hendrikse, Co-Founder at Kalungi, serial CMO for B2B SaaS companies and ex-Microsoft Global Marketing Leader.
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Brian Graf interviews Antoine Vial, fractional CMO, about positioning AI SaaS companies in a crowded market by focusing on real outcomes and value.
April 5, 2025
<p>When economic and market turbulence strikes without warning, SaaS founders and marketers naturally start to wonder... should we cut marketing budget, pivot our message, or hold the line? </p><p>In <strong>Episode 83 of B2B SaaS Marketing Snacks</strong>, co-hosts Brian Graf and Stijn Hendrikse explore how B2B SaaS companies can not only survive but thrive when the economy takes a dip. You’ll hear why maintaining focus on customer value is more important than ever, and how to avoid knee-jerk reactions that can hurt long-term growth. </p><p>Here’s what you’ll learn:</p><ul><li><strong>Why value beats panic pricing:</strong> How to double down on real customer value and practice value-based pricing instead of slashing prices or entering a race to the bottom, ensuring your offering remains essential even as budgets tighten.</li><li><strong>Adapting your ICP and personas:</strong> How to re-evaluate your Ideal Customer Profile in a downturn – identifying which segments of your market still have budget or greater need for your solution – and adjusting your buyer personas (e.g. addressing newly empowered CFOs) to align with shifting priorities.</li><li><strong>Retention and expansion first:</strong> Why it’s crucial to prioritize customer retention and expansion over pure new customer acquisition during a recession. Learn ways to strengthen customer success, keep your existing clients happy, and grow revenue from your install base so you protect your ARR.</li><li><strong>Smart budget optimization:</strong> Guidance on trimming the fat in your marketing spend without killing your growth engine. Discover how to audit your channels and CAC, cut the underperforming tactics, and double down on the efficient strategies so your go-to-market stays lean and effective.</li><li><strong>Flexible pricing & “survivor” offers:</strong> Creative strategies to help customers stay on board. This includes shifting to usage-based or monthly pricing options, offering more flexible payment terms, or even introducing a limited-time “<strong>survivor package</strong>” – a pared-down, high-ROI product tier designed to prevent churn and attract budget-conscious buyers from less flexible competitors.</li><li><strong>Pivoting your content strategy:</strong> How to tweak your marketing messaging and content in tough times. Our hosts share why thought leadership alone isn’t enough in a downturn – and how creating practical “survival” guides, checklists, and playbooks for your audience can build trust and relevance. (Spoiler alert... help your champions justify your product internally by focusing on immediate execution and ROI, not just big ideas.)</li></ul><p>Rather than resorting to fear-driven cuts, you’ll learn how to strategically adjust your approach – protecting the customer base you’ve worked hard to build and seizing opportunities that competitors might miss. </p><p>Brian and Stijn’s advice will help you keep your growth engine running strong (even on a leaner budget), align your product and messaging with what customers need right now, and ultimately come out of the downturn with a healthier, more focused business. </p><p><br></p><p>B2B SaaS Marketing Snacks is one of the most respected voices in the SaaS industry. It is hosted by two leading marketing and revenue growth experts for software:</p><ul><li><a href="https://www.kalungi.com/blog/author/stijn-hendrikse"><strong>Stijn Hendrikse: Author of T2D3 CMO Masterclass & Book, Founder of Kalungi</strong></a></li><li><a href="https://www.kalungi.com/brian-cmo"><strong>Brian Graf: CEO of Kalungi</strong></a></li></ul><p>B2B SaaS companies move through predictable stages of marketing focus, cost and size (as described in the popular <a href="https://t2d3.pro/">T2D3 book</a>). The best founders, CFOs and COOs in B2B SaaS rely on a balance of marketing leadership, strategy and execution to produce the customer and revenue growth they require. Staying flexible and nimble is a key marketing asset in a hard-charging B2B world.</p><p>Resources shared in this episode:</p><ul><li><a href="/_hcms/analytics/search/conversion?redirect=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cua2FsdW5naS5jb20vYmxvZy9iMmItbWFya2V0aW5nLXJlY2Vzc2lvbg%3D%3D&ct=SEARCH&pid=5095977&cid=27424704758&t=cmVjZXNzaW9u&d=www.kalungi.com&c=2&c=3&rp=1&ab=true&opcid=&rs=UNKNOWN&hs-expires=1775351842&hs-version=1&hs-signature=APUk-v6HrAHdGw_3_1rqr_waLg13Xu-eTw"><strong>How to update your B2B Marketing Strategy in a recession</strong></a></li><li><a href="/_hcms/analytics/search/conversion?redirect=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cua2FsdW5naS5jb20vYmxvZy84LWIyYi1tYXJrZXRpbmctdGlwcw%3D%3D&ct=SEARCH&pid=5095977&cid=65792276348&t=cmVjZXNzaW9u&d=www.kalungi.com&c=2&c=3&rp=3&ab=true&opcid=&rs=UNKNOWN&hs-expires=1775351842&hs-version=1&hs-signature=APUk-v7Gke2egEDhFKHCmjytEDG9Mp3vyw"><strong>8 B2B marketing tips to offer a modern and adaptive marketing strategy</strong></a></li><li><a href="/_hcms/analytics/search/conversion?redirect=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cua2FsdW5naS5jb20vYmxvZy9zYWFzLW1hcmtldGluZy1yZWQtZmxhZ3M%3D&ct=SEARCH&pid=5095977&cid=36352645362&t=cmVjZXNzaW9u&d=www.kalungi.com&c=2&c=3&rp=5&ab=true&opcid=&rs=UNKNOWN&hs-expires=1775351842&hs-version=1&hs-signature=APUk-v47cQsrKeHVFtYbGQNdxaX1kbRERA"><strong>4 Red Flags in SaaS Marketing</strong></a></li><li><a href="/_hcms/analytics/search/conversion?redirect=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cua2FsdW5naS5jb20vYmxvZy9oaXJpbmctZ3JlYXQtbWFya2V0ZXJzLWluLXRvZGF5cy1vdXRzb3VyY2VkLWxhYm9yLW1hcmtldA%3D%3D&ct=SEARCH&pid=5095977&cid=6859616726&t=cmVjZXNzaW9u&d=www.kalungi.com&c=2&c=3&rp=4&ab=true&opcid=&rs=UNKNOWN&hs-expires=1775351842&hs-version=1&hs-signature=APUk-v7NO7Aj3XFXt8QB2y_CuUwMLVbNiw"><strong>Hiring great marketers in todays outsourced labor market</strong></a></li><li><a href="https://hubs.la/Q02lRt-m0"><strong>T2D3 CMO Masterclass</strong></a></li><li><a href="https://hubs.la/Q02lRv-k0"><strong>Submit and vote on our podcast topics</strong></a></li></ul><p><br><strong>ABOUT B2B SAAS MARKETING SNACKS<br></strong>Since 2020, The B2B SaaS Marketing Snacks Podcast has offered software company founders, investors and leadership a fresh source of insights into building a complete and efficient engine for growth.</p><p>Meet our Marketing Snacks Podcast Hosts: </p><ul><li><strong>Stijn Hendrikse</strong>: Author of T2D3 Masterclass & Book, Founder of Kalungi<br>As a serial entrepreneur and marketing leader, Stijn has contributed to the success of 20+ startups as a C-level executive, including Chief Revenue Officer of Acumatica, CEO of MightyCall, a SaaS contact center solution, and leading the initial global Go-to-Market for Atera, a B2B SaaS Unicorn. Before focusing on startups, Stijn led global SMB Marketing and B2B Product Marketing for Microsoft’s Office platform.<p></p></li><li><strong>Brian Graf</strong>: CEO of Kalungi<br>As CEO of Kalungi, Brian provides high-level strategy, tactical execution, and business leadership expertise to drive long-term growth for B2B SaaS. Brian has successfully led clients in all aspects of marketing growth, from positioning and messaging to event support, product announcements, and channel-spend optimizations, generating qualified leads and brand awareness for clients while prioritizing ROI. Before Kalungi, Brian worked in television advertising, specializing in business intelligence and campaign optimization, and earned his MBA at the University of Washington's Foster School of Business with a focus in finance and marketing.</li></ul><p>Visit <a href="http://kalungi.com/">Kalungi.com</a> to learn more about growing your B2B SaaS company.</p>
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