by Maureen Wiley Clough
Have you ever looked around at your tech company and realized you’re one of the oldest people in the room…and you may not even be 40 yet? It gets late early is a podcast and community focused on the experience of aging as a tech employee. We’ll uncover the root of Silicon Valley’s obsession with youth, and parse fact from fiction. We’ll explore individual experiences across tech companies of various sizes, learn from experts, and share practical advice on how tech workers can build long and fulfilling careers in tech - for as long as they want - or need - to be employed. Together we’ll discover how we can all bring about a better future - for tech companies and employees alike.
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April 15, 2025
<p>We’re done just talking about ageism. In this episode, we show you how to do something about it.</p><p><br></p><p>Janine Vanderburg is the powerhouse behind Changing the Narrative and CEO of Encore Roadmap. She joins me to talk about how she and a coalition of advocates helped pass the groundbreaking <strong>Job Application Fairness Act</strong> in Colorado - legislation that bans asking for graduation dates or age identifiers in job applications. It’s a big win for both older and younger workers - and a roadmap for change in other states.</p><p><br></p><p>Just in time for <strong>Intergenerational Week</strong> and<strong> Older Americans Month</strong>, this is a must-listen if you’ve ever felt invisible in the job market or want to turn your frustration into progress.</p><p><br></p><p>From the importance of intergenerational teams in the workplace to the business case for older workers, Janine provides practical advice for both job seekers and employers.</p><p><br></p><p>What you’ll get from this episode:</p><p>✅ How the Job Application Fairness Act is changing the game for job seekers in Colorado</p><p>✅ Why intergenerational teams are essential for business success</p><p>✅ Stories of how ageism impacts real people in the workforce</p><p>✅ Janine’s journey from consultant to anti-ageism advocate and how you can get involved</p><p><br></p><p>Tune in to hear Janine’s incredible journey and learn how we can all be part of the solution. Let’s go!</p><p><br></p><p class="ql-align-center"><strong>“My mantra personally is: It’s not too late—dreams don't have an expiration date.” </strong></p><p class="ql-align-center"><strong>~ Janine Vanderburg</strong></p><p class="ql-align-center"><br></p><p><strong>In This Episode:</strong></p><p>-How Colorado became the first state to ban age-based application screening</p><p>-Why this law helps both Gen Z and older generations</p><p>-How to tell your story without risking your career</p><p>-Why intergenerational teams drive business success - and how to make the business case</p><p>-How you can bring this law to your own state (yes, there’s a toolkit!)</p><p>And much more!</p><br><p><strong>Resources:</strong></p><p>-Colorado's Job Application Fairness Act: Advancing Age Inclusion in Hiring by Janine Vanderburg: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/colorados-job-application-fairness-act-advancing-age-vanderburg-hvmwc/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/colorados-job-application-fairness-act-advancing-age-vanderburg-hvmwc/</a></p><p>-AARP Research on Age Discrimination: <a href="https://www.aarp.org/politics-society/advocacy/info-2025/older-workers-fear-age-discrimination.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.aarp.org/politics-society/advocacy/info-2025/older-workers-fear-age-discrimination.html</a></p><p>-Wiser Than Me with Julia Louis-Dreyfus - <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wiser-than-me-with-julia-louis-dreyfus/id1678559416" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wiser-than-me-with-julia-louis-dreyfus/id1678559416</a></p><br><p><strong>Connect with Janine Vanderburg:</strong></p><p>-Website: <a href="https://encoreroadmap.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://encoreroadmap.com/</a> and <a href="https://changingthenarrativeco.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://changingthenarrativeco.org/</a></p><p>-LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/janinevanderburg/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/janinevanderburg/</a></p><br><p><strong>Connect with Maureen Clough:</strong></p><p>-LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">maureenwclough</a> - <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/</a></p><p>-Website: <a...
April 1, 2025
<p>If you’ve ever been blindsided by a layoff, wrestled with feeling “too old” for the job search, or wondered if your career peak is behind you, this episode is for you. </p><p><br></p><p>In this deeply honest and refreshingly human episode, I speak with Nick Passarelli, a fintech exec and former HR leader whose early career taught him the hard truth: corporate loyalty doesn’t always pay off. </p><p><br></p><p>From leading mass layoffs at just 24 years old to witnessing longtime employees get pushed out with nowhere to go, Nick saw firsthand how brutal and impersonal the system can be. Those early experiences shaped his lifelong commitment to advocating against ageism and helping older professionals navigate a work world that’s not exactly rooting for them.</p><p><br></p><p>We talk layoffs, job searches after 50, ageism’s impact on women, and why “Jenga families” are more common than you think. Nick brings honesty, humility, and plenty of practical advice (and memes–yes, really) to a conversation every mid-career professional needs to hear.</p><p><br></p><p>Nick's story is a powerful reminder that reinvention is possible and that empathy, preparation, and a little humor can go a long way.</p><p><br></p><p class="ql-align-center"><strong>“Never add your work friends onto your socials because they could totally use that against you. I learned this through a friend at my old company, and I thought it was brilliant.” </strong></p><p class="ql-align-center"><strong>~ Nick Passarelli</strong></p><br><p><strong>In This Episode:</strong></p><p>-Nick’s diverse career path, from HR to fintech</p><p>-Mass layoffs during Y2K and the emotional toll</p><p>-First encounter with ageism, layoffs for long-tenured workers</p><p>-Transitioning from HR to compliance, adapting career focus</p><p>-What it's like for a young recruiter to interview older candidates</p><p>-Maximizing “prime earning years” (35-55) and balancing expenses</p><p>-“Jenga families” and the financial risks of not planning for job transitions</p><p>-The personal impact of job loss in your 50s</p><p>-How women can set themselves up for success</p><p>-Networking, upskilling, and staying positive in a job search</p><p>-Keeping the fun and laughter despite your corporate situation</p><p>And much more!</p><br><p><strong>Resources:</strong></p><p>-Ross Pomerantz aka Corporate Bro: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/corporate.bro/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/corporate.bro/</a></p><p>-Corporate Natalie: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/corporatenatalie/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/corporatenatalie/</a></p><p>-Ben Sweeny: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/corporate.sween/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/corporate.sween/</a></p><p>-Jamie Jackson: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/humorous_resources/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/humorous_resources/</a></p><p>-LinkedIn Learning (Free and paid courses to enhance skills): <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/learning/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/learning/</a></p><p>-SHRM (Society for Human Resource Management) Certifications: <a href="https://www.shrm.org/mena/credentials/certification" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.shrm.org/mena/credentials/certification</a></p><br><p><strong>Connect with Nick Passarelli:</strong></p><p>-LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/nick-passarelli-9777454/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/nick-passarelli-9777454/</a></p><br><p><strong>Connect with Maureen Clough:</strong></p><p>-LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">maureenwclough</a> - <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/" rel="noopener noreferrer"...
March 18, 2025
<p>We’ve all had those painfully awkward moments–those cringey, uncomfortable feelings—the ones that make you want to disappear into the floor. But what if awkwardness wasn’t something to escape, but something to embrace? Today, I sit down with workplace performance expert Henna Pryor to unpack why discomfort is actually a good thing.</p><p>Henna shares her personal journey from feeling like an outsider as a child of immigrants to discovering how awkwardness can be a growth accelerator. She also reveals surprising research on why confident people don’t avoid awkward moments—they just recover faster. Plus, we dig into how social skills are eroding in the workplace, why millennials report the most superficial relationships at work, and how different generations handle awkwardness.</p><p><br></p><p>If you’ve ever second-guessed yourself before speaking up in a meeting, hesitated before trying something new, or let fear of embarrassment hold you back, this episode will change the way you think about discomfort.</p><p><br></p><p>If this episode gave you the push to stop overthinking and embrace the cringe, share it with a friend! And if you really loved it, we’d be forever grateful if you left us a review on Apple Podcasts. It helps more people find the show (and helps us keep embracing our awkward too).</p><p><br></p><p class="ql-align-center"><strong>“In our 20s and 30s, we care a lot about what people think of us. In our 40s and 50s, we stop caring what other people think of us. But in our 60s and 70s, we realize they were never thinking about us in the first place, and that knowledge is so freeing.” </strong></p><p class="ql-align-center"><strong>~ Henna Pryor</strong></p><p class="ql-align-center"><br></p><p><strong>In This Episode:</strong></p><p>-Why awkwardness isn’t a curse but a superpower</p><p>-Henna’s childhood struggles with feeling different</p><p>-How age shifts our self-consciousness (and makes us care less)</p><p>-The workplace “social muscle” problem across generations</p><p>-Remote work + tech = weaker social skills (and it shows)</p><p>-86% of workers would rather work alone—yikes</p><p>-Small steps to build social confidence without freaking out</p><p>-Using humor to recover from awkward moments</p><p>-Risk-taking at work: when to go for it and when to hold back</p><p>-The “Cringe Chasm”—choosing between comfort and growth</p><p>-The worst-case scenario exercise that flips fear on its head</p><p>And much more!</p><br><p><strong>Resources:</strong></p><p>-Book: Good Awkward by Henna Pryor: <a href="https://pryoritygroup.com/book/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://pryoritygroup.com/book/</a></p><p>-The Social Muscle Study: Download the full report at <a href="https://pryoritygroup.com/study/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://pryoritygroup.com/study/</a></p><p>-Henna’s TEDx Talk: <a href="https://www.ted.com/talks/henna_pryor_want_to_get_ahead_at_work_risk_the_awkward_moments" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ted.com/talks/henna_pryor_want_to_get_ahead_at_work_risk_the_awkward_moments</a></p><br><p><strong>Connect with Henna Pryor:</strong></p><p>-Website: <a href="https://pryoritygroup.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://pryoritygroup.com/</a></p><p>-LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/hennapryor/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/hennapryor/</a></p><br><p><strong>Connect with Maureen Clough:</strong></p><p>-LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">maureenwclough</a> - <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/</a></p><p>-Website: <a href="https://www.itgetslateearly.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">itgetslateearly.com</a> - <a href="https://www.itgetslateearly.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer"...
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