by Wagner Skis
Next Level Skiing is a podcast about skiing. Your skiing. Longtime ski journalist Jason Blevins talks to the sport’s luminaries and behind-the-scenes bosses about strategies and hacks for stepping your skiing up a notch. Sure, the key to getting better at skiing is to go skiing. A lot. If it was only that easy. This podcast will offer some shortcuts to becoming the skier you want to be, without having to quit your job and move to a ski town. Subscribe where ever you get your podcasts by searching for “Next Level Skiing.” Learn more at wagnerskis.com/nextlevel.
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April 21, 2025
<div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW234127103 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW234127103 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0">Pete Wagner was building proprietary software to customize golf clubs when he bought a pair of skis in the early 2000s. The mechanical engineer and computer scientist wrestled those skis for a season before realizing he had purchased the wrong skis for his style. Why wasn’t anyone designing skis like he was designing golf clubs or like boot fitters adjusted ski boots? In 2006, the expert skier launched Wagner Custom Skis with an exploratory questionnaire that helps skier identify their dream skis and softwa</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0">re that guides a warehouse full of machines in building those skis.</span></span><span class= "EOP SCXW234127103 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW234127103 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW234127103 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0">Nearly 20 years later, Wagner’s team of 15 ski builders in Telluride are crafting skis built precisely for individuals taking their skiing to the next level. Tune in to hear Pete's riff on ski design and the manufacturing process, trends in ski designs, and how a customized ski - like a custom-fit ski boot — can improve your every minute on snow. </span></span><span class= "EOP SCXW234127103 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> <br /> <br /></span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW234127103 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW234127103 BCX0" role="heading" aria-level= "3"><span class="TextRun MacChromeBold SCXW234127103 BCX0" lang= "EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast="none"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle= "heading 3">Topics:</span></span><span class= "EOP SCXW234127103 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134245418":true,"134245529":true,"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW234127103 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW234127103 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0">1:00 - A background in material science and design software for golf</span></span><span class="EOP SCXW234127103 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW234127103 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW234127103 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0">6:00 - Buying the wrong skis. How come no one is focusing on fit like in golf and cycling?</span></span><span class="EOP SCXW234127103 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW234127103 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW234127103 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0">7:10 - 2006 launch of Wagner Skis with “rapid prototyping” software</span></span><span class="EOP SCXW234127103 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW234127103 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW234127103 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0">8:00 - How custom ski boot fitters inspired the Wagner business plan</span></span><span class="EOP SCXW234127103 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW234127103 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW234127103 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0">13::40 - Building a database of ski designs</span></span><span class= "EOP SCXW234127103 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW234127103 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW234127103 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0">16:00 - Customization for beginner and intermediate skiers</span></span><span class="EOP SCXW234127103 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW234127103 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW234127103 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0">18:00 - Optimizing ski design with 2,500 different material combinations</span></span><span class="EOP SCXW234127103 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW234127103 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW234127103 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0">19:00 - Versatility for beginners</span></span><span class= "EOP SCXW234127103 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW234127103 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW234127103 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0">23:00 - Ski design trends in the mid-2000s to now</span></span><span class= "EOP SCXW234127103 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW234127103 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW234127103 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0">25:00 - Adding rocker to the tip and tail with camber underfoot</span></span><span class="EOP SCXW234127103 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW234127103 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW234127103 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0">27:10 - Matching individuals to skis</span></span><span class= "EOP SCXW234127103 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW234127103 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW234127103 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0">28:20 - Manufacturing without molds</span></span><span class= "EOP SCXW234127103 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW234127103 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW234127103 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0">36:00 - Repeat customers and changing designs as skiers refine their demands</span></span><span class="EOP SCXW234127103 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> <br /> <br /></span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW234127103 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW234127103 BCX0" role="heading" aria-level= "3"><span class="TextRun MacChromeBold SCXW234127103 BCX0" lang= "EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast="none"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle= "heading 3">Quotes:</span></span><span class= "EOP SCXW234127103 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134245418":true,"134245529":true,"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW234127103 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW234127103 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0">“A ski that has the right flex pattern and stiffness, the benefit of that is that it will be stiff enough to give you good stability if you’re going fast.” - Pete Wagner </span></span><span class= "EOP SCXW234127103 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW234127103 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW234127103 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0">“The business model of the big companies is not about customization or agility. Their business model is that they go out in the late winter and spring, get people to try their next year’s models, collect orders, mass produce stuff throughout the spring and summer, and then deliver them to the shop in the fall.” - Pete Wagner </span></span><span class="EOP SCXW234127103 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW234127103 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW234127103 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0">“What we realized is that you can keep things simple.” - Pete Wagner </span></span><span class="EOP SCXW234127103 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW234127103 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW234127103 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0">“Skiing has a lot to offer people. There are different things you can focus on and that’s what makes it such a great activity and way to spend your time. And that’s our goal.” - Pete Wagner </span></span><span class="EOP SCXW234127103 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW234127103 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW234127103 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun MacChromeBold SCXW234127103 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast="auto"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0"><br /></span></span><span class= "TextRun MacChromeBold SCXW234127103 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast="none"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle="heading 3">Resources:</span></span> <span class="EOP SCXW234127103 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134245418":true,"134245529":true,"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> <br /></span><a class="Hyperlink SCXW234127103 BCX0" href= "https://www.wagnerskis.com/" target="_blank" rel= "noreferrer noopener"><span class= "TextRun Underlined SCXW234127103 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast="none"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW234127103 BCX0">Wagner Custom Skis</span></span></a><span class="EOP SCXW234127103 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div>
April 14, 2025
<div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW239650251 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW239650251 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle="Normal">Welcome back to the Next Level Skiing podcast, brought to you by Wagner Skis. Willie</span> <span class= "SpellingError SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle= "Normal">Volckhausen</span> <span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle= "Normal">started skiing when he was 2 and raced with Sunlight's local ski club for over a decade. He spent 18 years coaching young skiers with the Aspen Valley Ski Club, developing not just ripping racers but athletes with a lifelong passion for skiing. And now he’s a ski instructor with the Aspen Ski School who spends his summers working his family’s farm near Paonia. Over his decades of being coached and coaching, Willie’s picked up more than a few techniques for improving our turns. Listen in and hear Willie talk about critical drills, his description of the best coach in the world, how farming has informed his skiing and when to find the perfect turn. </span></span><span class= "EOP SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW239650251 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW239650251 BCX0" role="heading" aria-level= "3"><span class="TextRun MacChromeBold SCXW239650251 BCX0" lang= "EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast="none"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle= "heading 3">Topics:</span></span><span class= "EOP SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134245418":true,"134245529":true,"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW239650251 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW239650251 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle="Normal">1:00: 18 years skiing with the Bad News Bears of ski racing at Ski Sunlight</span></span><span class= "EOP SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW239650251 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW239650251 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle="Normal">3:10: Transitioning to alpine racing coach for U12s for the Aspen Valley Ski and Snowboard Club</span></span><span class="EOP SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW239650251 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW239650251 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle="Normal">6:20: Balancing performance and victory with sustaining a passion for skiing</span></span><span class= "EOP SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW239650251 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW239650251 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle="Normal">7:00: The best year for winning at Aspen Valley Ski Club wasn’t about the podiums</span></span><span class="EOP SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW239650251 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW239650251 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle="Normal">10:10: No pedestals for elite skiers</span></span><span class="EOP SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW239650251 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW239650251 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle="Normal">12:10: What coaching and young racers taught him about skiing</span></span><span class= "EOP SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW239650251 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW239650251 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle="Normal">16:00: “Skiing is the easy part” about being a ski instructor</span></span><span class= "EOP SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW239650251 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW239650251 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle="Normal">17:00: Standing on the outside ski</span></span><span class="EOP SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW239650251 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW239650251 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle="Normal">19:40: The up and over drill</span></span><span class="EOP SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW239650251 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW239650251 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle="Normal">20:20: The best coach in the world “should be totally deaf and totally mute.”</span></span><span class="EOP SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW239650251 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW239650251 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle="Normal">26:00: How learning patience through farming helps with skiing</span></span><span class= "EOP SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW239650251 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW239650251 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle="Normal">30:50: How can you identify the perfect turn? Wait.</span></span><span class="EOP SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> <br /> <br /></span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW239650251 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW239650251 BCX0" role="heading" aria-level= "3"><span class="TextRun MacChromeBold SCXW239650251 BCX0" lang= "EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast="none"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle= "heading 3">Quotes:</span></span><span class= "EOP SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134245418":true,"134245529":true,"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW239650251 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW239650251 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle="Normal">“Ski racing is an individual sport that is dominated by teams.” - Willie</span> <span class= "SpellingError SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle= "Normal">Volckhausen</span></span><span class= "EOP SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW239650251 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW239650251 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle="Normal">“It’s not all about that one person. Only one person’s</span> <span class= "SpellingError SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle= "Normal">gonna</span> <span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle="Normal">win and there’s ten of us. So what are the other nine kids supposed to do the day that so-and-so wins the race? That’s what we focused on a lot.” - Willie</span> <span class= "SpellingError SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle= "Normal">Volckhausen</span></span><span class= "EOP SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW239650251 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW239650251 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle="Normal">“Coaches and mentors have that opportunity every day to not put their elite athletes on a pedestal. The kids who win know they’re good. They know they’re going to win again. They know they’re expected to win. I think that’s some of the worst pressure we could possibly put on junior athletes.” - Willie</span> <span class= "SpellingError SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle= "Normal">Volckhausen</span></span><span class= "EOP SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW239650251 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW239650251 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle="Normal">“If you tuck and roll, get your feet back below you, and you stand up without ever stopping, technically that's not a crash; that’s a ground trick.” - Willie</span> <span class="SpellingError SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle= "Normal">Volckhausen</span></span><span class= "EOP SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW239650251 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW239650251 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun MacChromeBold SCXW239650251 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast="auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle="Normal"> </span></span><span class= "EOP SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW239650251 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW239650251 BCX0" role="heading" aria-level= "3"><span class="TextRun MacChromeBold SCXW239650251 BCX0" lang= "EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast="none"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle= "heading 3">Resources:</span></span><span class= "EOP SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134245418":true,"134245529":true,"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW239650251 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW239650251 BCX0"><a class= "Hyperlink SCXW239650251 BCX0" href= "https://www.instagram.com/wvolckhausen/" target="_blank" rel= "noreferrer noopener"><span class= "TextRun Underlined SCXW239650251 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast="none"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle="Normal">Willie’s Instagram</span></span></a><span class="EOP SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW239650251 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW239650251 BCX0"><a class= "Hyperlink SCXW239650251 BCX0" href="https://www.wagnerskis.com/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span class= "TextRun Underlined SCXW239650251 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast="none"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle="Normal">Wagner Custom Skis</span></span></a><span class="EOP SCXW239650251 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div>
April 7, 2025
<div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW119781499 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW119781499 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW119781499 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW119781499 BCX0">Welcome back to the Next Level Skiing podcast, brought to you by Wagner Skis. Brody Leven doesn’t dabble. He’s an all-in type of skier. When he decided he was done with park skiing, he moved from 100 days of high-flying park time every season to 100 days of climbing and skiing mountains. And now it’s been 10 years since the Fischer Ski-sponsored athlete has ridden a chairlift. He’s never eaten meat. During the pandemic, he started exercising outside every day. Now he’s more than four years in without missin</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW119781499 BCX0">g a single day. He’s a lifelong vegetarian, a vehement climate advocate, and, as he says, “obsessed with ideas and doing things that are hard.” Tune in and hear Brody talk about growing up skiing in Ohio, his pursuit of untracked</span> <span class= "SpellingError SCXW119781499 BCX0">sno,w</span> <span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW119781499 BCX0">and his evolution into one of the world’s top ski mountaineers who considers his skiing outside the traditional definitions used by both pro skiers and ski mountaineers. </span></span><span class= "EOP SCXW119781499 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW119781499 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW119781499 BCX0" role="heading" aria-level= "3"><span class="TextRun MacChromeBold SCXW119781499 BCX0" lang= "EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast="none"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW119781499 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle= "heading 3">Topics:</span></span><span class= "EOP SCXW119781499 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134245418":true,"134245529":true,"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW119781499 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW119781499 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW119781499 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW119781499 BCX0">1:10: An after-school ski program in Ohio.</span></span><span class= "EOP SCXW119781499 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW119781499 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW119781499 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW119781499 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW119781499 BCX0">4:00: Moving to Salt Lake City in 2005 for the skiing</span></span><span class= "EOP SCXW119781499 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW119781499 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW119781499 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW119781499 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW119781499 BCX0">12:10: Going from 100 days in the park to 100 days in the backcountry.</span></span><span class="EOP SCXW119781499 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW119781499 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW119781499 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW119781499 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW119781499 BCX0">14:20: Ten years without riding lifts.</span></span><span class= "EOP SCXW119781499 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW119781499 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW119781499 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW119781499 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW119781499 BCX0">15:40: Principled skiing.</span></span><span class= "EOP SCXW119781499 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW119781499 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW119781499 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW119781499 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW119781499 BCX0">24:00: Perfecting turns without ever skiing on a groomer.</span></span><span class="EOP SCXW119781499 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW119781499 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW119781499 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW119781499 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW119781499 BCX0">28:30: Climbing and skiing peaks in Uganda, Romania and Georgia.</span></span><span class="EOP SCXW119781499 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW119781499 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW119781499 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW119781499 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW119781499 BCX0">30:10: The “thief of credibility” in the culture of ski mountaineering.</span></span><span class="EOP SCXW119781499 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW119781499 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW119781499 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW119781499 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW119781499 BCX0">36:00: The light and fast ethos in ski mountaineering.</span></span><span class="EOP SCXW119781499 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW119781499 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW119781499 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW119781499 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW119781499 BCX0">41:00: Jumping into exercising outside every day</span></span><span class= "EOP SCXW119781499 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW119781499 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW119781499 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW119781499 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW119781499 BCX0">49:00: Tackling climate change is like coming to a mountain with lots of little steps.</span></span><span class="EOP SCXW119781499 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW119781499 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW119781499 BCX0" role="heading" aria-level= "3"><span class="TextRun MacChromeBold SCXW119781499 BCX0" lang= "EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast="none"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW119781499 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle= "heading 3">Quotes:</span></span><span class= "EOP SCXW119781499 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134245418":true,"134245529":true,"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW119781499 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW119781499 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW119781499 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW119781499 BCX0">“When you're back there, you're listening to what the mountains are telling you and what your intuition is telling you and the frequency with which you do it, you know, getting out there so regularly and, you know, kind of higher risk terrain, you develop that fluency, right? And you push yourself to a spot where you have an intuitive fluency.” Jason Blevins</span></span><span class="EOP SCXW119781499 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW119781499 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW119781499 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW119781499 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW119781499 BCX0">“I'm not like a woo-woo person, I'm very logical. And so when I say the essence of skiing, I do not mean that in any sort of woo-woo way. I mean, literally, it's how you move around the mountain on skis.” Brody Leven</span></span><span class="EOP SCXW119781499 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW119781499 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW119781499 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW119781499 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW119781499 BCX0">“There's this culture of doing cool things and being quiet about it but secretly hoping other people hype you up in the parking lots. And like that's, it's just so weird for me. It's uncomfortable for me. I don't know. So I hype it up myself because I get back and I'm proud of it that part of my job is letting people know what I've done.” Brody Leven</span></span><span class="EOP SCXW119781499 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW119781499 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW119781499 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW119781499 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast= "auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW119781499 BCX0">“In hindsight, I didn't know it at the time, but I think in hindsight, finding that consistency was some way of having control over such an otherwise out-of-our-control situation. And so much of my life seems to lack that control.” Brody Leven</span></span><span class= "EOP SCXW119781499 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW119781499 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW119781499 BCX0" role="heading" aria-level= "3"><span class="TextRun MacChromeBold SCXW119781499 BCX0" lang= "EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast="none"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW119781499 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle= "heading 3">Resources:</span></span><span class= "EOP SCXW119781499 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134245418":true,"134245529":true,"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW119781499 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW119781499 BCX0"><a class= "Hyperlink SCXW119781499 BCX0" href="http://brodyleven.com/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span class= "TextRun Underlined SCXW119781499 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast="none"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW119781499 BCX0">brodyleven.com</span></span></a><span class="EOP SCXW119781499 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW119781499 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW119781499 BCX0"><a class= "Hyperlink SCXW119781499 BCX0" href="https://www.wagnerskis.com/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span class= "TextRun Underlined SCXW119781499 BCX0" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN" data-contrast="none"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW119781499 BCX0">Wagner Custom Skis</span></span></a><span class="EOP SCXW119781499 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW119781499 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW119781499 BCX0"><span class= "EOP SCXW119781499 BCX0" data-ccp-props="{}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW119781499 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW119781499 BCX0"><span class= "EOP SCXW119781499 BCX0" data-ccp-props="{}"> </span></p> </div>
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