by Stephanie Winn
You Must Be Some Kind of Therapist intimately explores the human experience while critiquing the state of the counseling profession as it yields to cultural madness. Your host, Stephanie Winn, distills years of wisdom gained from her practice as a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist as she pivots away from treating patients, and toward the question of how to apply psychology to the novel dilemmas of the 21st century. What does ethical mental health care look like in a normless age, as our moral compasses spin in search of true north? How can therapists treat patients under pressure to affirm everything from the notion of gender identity to assisted suicide? Stephanie invites heretical, free-thinking guests from many walks of life, including current and former therapists, medical professionals, writers, researchers, and people with unique lived experience, such as detransitioners. Curious about many things, Stephanie’s interdisciplinary psychological lens investigates challenging social issues and inspires transformation in the self, relationships, and society. Pick up a torch to illuminate the dark night and join us on this journey through the inner wilderness.
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April 21, 2025
<p>In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Kristopher Kaliebe, a child, adult, and forensic psychiatrist known for his critical stance on “gender-affirming care.” We delve into the complexities surrounding the current landscape of gender identity and the implications for mental health care. Dr. Kaliebe shares his journey into this contentious field, highlighting his concerns about the medicalization of gender dysphoria and the potential harm it poses to vulnerable youth.</p><p><br></p><p>We explore the concept of "illness identity," where young people may gravitate towards labels that define their struggles, often leading to over-diagnosis and inappropriate treatment. Dr. Kaliebe emphasizes the importance of understanding the nuances behind statements like "I feel like a woman" or "I feel like a boy," urging listeners to consider the psychological factors at play. We also discuss the troubling trend of social transition among children and the societal pressures that contribute to this phenomenon.</p><p><br></p><p>Throughout our conversation, we question the integrity of professional organizations that have adopted advocacy over science, leading to a lack of diverse perspectives in psychiatric practice. This episode aims to shed light on the urgent need for a more balanced dialogue in mental health care, encouraging professionals and parents alike to critically evaluate the current approaches to gender identity and treatment.</p><p><br></p><p>Kristopher Kaliebe, MD is a Professor of Psychiatry at University of South Florida, in Tampa Florida. He is Board Certified in Psychiatry, Child and Adolescent Psychiatry and Forensic Psychiatry. He is a Distinguished Fellow at the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry (AACAP).</p><p><br></p><p>His clinical work has been primarily in University clinics, Federally Qualified Health Centers and juvenile corrections. At USF Dr. Kaliebe instructs medical students, psychiatry residents, child and adolescent psychiatry fellows, and forensic psychiatry fellows.</p><p><br></p><p>From 2013-2021 he served as co-chair of AACAP’s Media Committee. From 2016 to 2022 he was the liaison between the AACAP and the American Academy of Pediatrics. Dr. Kaliebe’s publications and presentations include the effects of digital technologies, gender, psychotherapy, juvenile, corrections, mind-body medicine, nutrition, and mental health in primary care settings. He is concerned about naïve interventionalism in medicine.</p><p><br></p><p>Restore Childhood: <a href="https://restorechildhood.com/">https://restorechildhood.com/</a> </p><p><br></p><p> 00:00 Start</p><p>[00:01:43] Gender-affirming care skepticism.</p><p>[00:03:39] Early onset gender dysphoria.</p><p>[00:08:10] Gender dysphoria diagnosis concerns.</p><p>[00:13:07] Illness identity versus stigma.</p><p>[00:16:44] Illness identity and social transition.</p><p>[00:21:08] Gender identity and social transition.</p><p>[00:25:37] Gender identity's incoherent evolution.</p><p>[00:29:31] Symbolic equivalence in identity.</p><p>[00:32:01] Comfort and identity in gender.</p><p>[00:38:01] Psychiatry's response to advocacy pressures.</p><p>[00:39:49] Advocacy versus science in medicine.</p><p>[00:45:34] Institutional takeover as a virus.</p><p>[00:48:31] Emotional communication in media.</p><p>[00:51:05] Classical liberalism in education.</p><p>[00:55:24] Parental caution in therapy choices.</p><p>[01:00:06] Overprotecting youth in society.</p><p>[01:05:38] Building identity through creativity.</p><p>[01:08:50] Consequences of overprotective parenting.</p><p>[01:10:32] Consequences in parenting.</p><p>[01:15:50] Male identity and societal challenges.</p><p>[01:18:41] Restore Childhood initiative.</p><p><a href="http://rogdrepair.com/">ROGD REPAIR</a> Course + Community gives concerned parents instant access to over 120 lessons providing the psychological insights and communication tools you need to get through to your kid. Use code SOMETHERAPIST2025 to take 50% off your first month.</p><p><br></p><p>TALK TO ME: <a href="https://calendly.com/sometherapist/">book a meeting</a>.</p><p><br></p><p>PRODUCTION: Looking for your own podcast producer? Visit <a href="http://PodsByNick.com">PodsByNick.com</a> and mention my podcast for 20% off your initial services.</p><p><br></p><p>SUPPORT THE SHOW: subscribe, like, comment, & share or <a href="https://www.sometherapist.com/donate">donate</a>.</p><p><br></p><p>ORGANIFI: Take 20% off <a href="http://organifi.com/sometherapist">Organifi</a> with code SOMETHERAPIST.</p><p><br></p><p>Watch <a href="https://nowaybackfilm.com/">NO WAY BACK: The Reality of Gender-Affirming Care</a>. Use code SOMETHERAPIST to take 20% off your order.</p><p><br></p><p>SHOW NOTES & transcript with help from <a href="https://www.swellai.com/?via=sometherapist">SwellAI</a>.</p><p><br></p><p>MUSIC: Thanks to <a href="https://www.joeypecoraro.com/">Joey Pecoraro</a> for our song, “Half Awake,” used with gratitude & permission.</p><p><br> <a href="https://bio.site/sometherapist">ALL OTHER LINKS HERE.</a></p> <br><p>To support this show, please leave a rating & review on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-must-be-some-kind-of-therapist/id1612777134">Apple</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3g73xg37dTN3OqnnQBZYiV">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.sometherapist.com/listen">wherever you get your podcasts</a>. Subscribe, like, comment & share via my <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgj5mELe7dL_v-QbyoN6lwg">YouTube channel</a>. 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Stream the film or purchase a DVD. Use<strong> code SOMETHERAPIST</strong> to take <strong>20%</strong> off your order.<a href="https://nowaybackfilm.com/"> </a>Follow us on X <a href="https://twitter.com/2022affirmation">@2022affirmation</a> or Instagram at <a href="https://www.instagram.com/affirmationgeneration/">@affirmationgeneration</a>.</p><p>Have a question for me? Looking to go deeper and discuss these ideas with other listeners? Join my <a href="http://somekindoftherapist.locals.com/">Locals community</a>! Members get to ask questions I will respond to in exclusive, members-only livestreams, post questions for upcoming guests to answer, plus other perks TBD.</p> <strong> <a href="https://www.patreon.com/sometherapist" rel="payment" title="★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★">★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★</a> </strong>
April 14, 2025
<p>Dr. Hannah Spier, a psychiatrist from Zurich, Switzerland, calls herself an "anti-feminist psychiatrist.” We delve into the complexities of women's mental health, particularly how feminist ideologies can lead to feelings of inadequacy and burnout. Hannah shares her insights from years of treating women who often find themselves stuck in therapy, grappling with anxiety and unfulfilled desires, particularly around relationships and motherhood.</p><p><br></p><p>We explore the concept of dating with intention, emphasizing the importance for women of knowing what we want while we still retain the advantages of youth. Hannah discusses the common patterns she sees in her patients, such as the pressure to achieve academically while neglecting emotional needs, which can lead to a cycle of anxiety and dissatisfaction. We also touch on the societal expectations placed on women and how these can create a disconnect between their true desires and their life choices.</p><p><br></p><p>Throughout our conversation, we challenge the notion of self-esteem and discuss the role of gratitude in overcoming resentment. Hannah argues that understanding the realities of both women's and men's experiences can help shift perspectives and foster healthier relationships. This episode aims to provoke thought about the choices women make and the societal narratives that shape those choices, ultimately encouraging listeners to reflect on their own paths and desires.</p><p><br></p><p>Hannah Spier is a Norwegian-born medical doctor trained in Psychiatry in Norway and Switzerland, with a degree in Cognitive Behavioural Psychotherapy from the University of Zurich. Now based in Zurich with her husband and three children, she launched the <a href="https://hannahspier.substack.com/">Psychobabble publication and podcast</a> in October 2022 to challenge postmodern influences and champion traditional values in the mental health field.</p><p><br></p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@psychobabblewithspier">YouTube: @psychobabblewithspier</a></p><p><a href="https://substack.com/@psychobabblewithspier">Psychobabble Substack</a></p><p><br></p><p> 00:00 Start</p><p>[00:01:27] Anti-feminist psychiatrist explained.</p><p>[00:07:26] Biological clock and priorities shift.</p><p>[00:11:08] Success redefined for mothers.</p><p>[00:14:06] Choices and leverage for women.</p><p>[00:20:18] Biological realities of women's choices.</p><p>[00:25:46] Antidote to resentment is gratitude.</p><p>[00:30:00] Narcissism and self-perception.</p><p>[00:34:48] Resentment in motherhood and relationships.</p><p>[00:36:10] Women's relationship goals and challenges.</p><p>[00:43:34] Choosing the right partner.</p><p>[00:48:05] Evolutionary psychology and motherhood.</p><p>[00:52:17] Dating with intention.</p><p>[00:54:23] Postmodernism's impact on self-improvement.</p><p>[01:02:27] Expecting more from ourselves.</p><p>[01:03:21] Flaws in psychiatric treatment.</p><p>[01:10:06] Maternal instincts and self-care.</p><p>[01:15:36] Lies of feminism.</p><p>[01:16:43] Vulnerability and relationship dynamics.</p><p>[01:22:01] Confusion between love and passion.</p><p>[01:28:06] Healing from domestic violence.</p><p>[01:30:14] Maternal instincts and nurturing energy.</p><p><a href="http://rogdrepair.com/">ROGD REPAIR</a> Course + Community gives concerned parents instant access to over 120 lessons providing the psychological insights and communication tools you need to get through to your kid. Use code SOMETHERAPIST2025 to take 50% off your first month.</p><p><br></p><p>TALK TO ME: <a href="https://calendly.com/sometherapist/">book a meeting</a>.</p><p><br></p><p>PRODUCTION: Looking for your own podcast producer? Visit <a href="http://PodsByNick.com">PodsByNick.com</a> and mention my podcast for 20% off your initial services.</p><p><br></p><p>SUPPORT THE SHOW: subscribe, like, comment, & share or <a href="https://www.sometherapist.com/donate">donate</a>.</p><p><br></p><p>ORGANIFI: Take 20% off <a href="http://organifi.com/sometherapist">Organifi</a> with code SOMETHERAPIST.</p><p><br></p><p>Watch <a href="https://nowaybackfilm.com/">NO WAY BACK: The Reality of Gender-Affirming Care</a>. Use code SOMETHERAPIST to take 20% off your order.</p><p><br></p><p>SHOW NOTES & transcript with help from <a href="https://www.swellai.com/?via=sometherapist">SwellAI</a>.</p><p><br></p><p>MUSIC: Thanks to <a href="https://www.joeypecoraro.com/">Joey Pecoraro</a> for our song, “Half Awake,” used with gratitude & permission.</p><p><br> <a href="https://bio.site/sometherapist">ALL OTHER LINKS HERE.</a></p> <br><p>To support this show, please leave a rating & review on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-must-be-some-kind-of-therapist/id1612777134">Apple</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3g73xg37dTN3OqnnQBZYiV">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.sometherapist.com/listen">wherever you get your podcasts</a>. Subscribe, like, comment & share via my <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgj5mELe7dL_v-QbyoN6lwg">YouTube channel</a>. 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Stream the film or purchase a DVD. Use<strong> code SOMETHERAPIST</strong> to take <strong>20%</strong> off your order.<a href="https://nowaybackfilm.com/"> </a>Follow us on X <a href="https://twitter.com/2022affirmation">@2022affirmation</a> or Instagram at <a href="https://www.instagram.com/affirmationgeneration/">@affirmationgeneration</a>.</p><p>Have a question for me? Looking to go deeper and discuss these ideas with other listeners? Join my <a href="http://somekindoftherapist.locals.com/">Locals community</a>! Members get to ask questions I will respond to in exclusive, members-only livestreams, post questions for upcoming guests to answer, plus other perks TBD.</p> <strong> <a href="https://www.patreon.com/sometherapist" rel="payment" title="★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★">★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★</a> </strong>
April 7, 2025
<p>In this powerful episode, I speak with William Allen, a man who lived for 30 years as a “transgender woman” named Maggie before detransitioning between 2020-2023. William shares his remarkable life story, from his earliest childhood memories of gender dysphoria through his transition in 1993, to his religious awakening and eventual detransition. His newly released book, "<a href="https://amzn.to/443H4bd">Not Man Enough to Be a Woman</a>," details this extraordinary journey.</p><p>William begins by sharing the viral social media post that caught my attention on Detrans Awareness Day. He then takes us back to his childhood in the 1960s, where despite appearing as a typical boy who played with neighborhood friends and joined the Boy Scouts, he secretly wished he had been born a girl and would dress in his mother's clothes when alone.</p><p>He describes how throughout his youth, he couldn't understand why he had these feelings, finding no answers even in psychology textbooks during college. William shares the story of his first marriage, when his gender dysphoria temporarily subsided during the initial years of falling in love, only to return "with a vengeance" later, ultimately destroying his marriage.</p><p>By 1993, William began hormone therapy, had his beard removed through electrolysis, and underwent surgeries. He details the physical changes from estrogen, the workplace transition, and how he was able to "pass" in society as a woman for many years.</p><p>William speaks candidly about his life as Maggie. He describes a deathbed reconciliation with his estranged father in 2015 and the conversation decades earlier that gave his book its title - when his father told him he wasn't "man enough to be a woman."</p><p>The turning point in William's story came in 2020 when he experienced a profound religious transformation that changed his perspective on his life and identity. This led to his decision to detransition, a three-year process that included saving money, finding a surgeon willing to perform a mastectomy, legal name changes, and rebuilding relationships.</p><p>William's story raises profound questions: What happens when a false identity embraced for decades no longer aligns with one's deepest values? After living thirty years as Maggie, William's return to his birth identity offers a rare window into the complexities of gender dysphoria, transition, and detransition that few have experienced over such an extended period. His story challenges simplistic narratives while offering compassion for those struggling with gender identity issues.</p><p>William Allen struggled with gender identity disorder from childhood in the 1960s. Hiding his condition throughout his teenage, college, and young adult years, his obsession only grew stronger, eventually ruining his marriage. He began his “transition” in 1993. After hormones, beard removal, voice coaching, and surgery, he "passed" and settled into a successful life, until he rediscovered his faith. He completed his detransition in 2023, after 30 years living as a “transwoman.” William now speaks out against the transgender movement’s deceptions and intentional targeting of children. Find him at <a href="https://notmanenoughtobeawoman.com/">notmanenoughtobeawoman.com</a> or get <a href="https://amzn.to/443H4bd">his book on Amazon</a>. Follow him on X <a href="https://x.com/wmallen2024">@wmallen2024</a>.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p> 00:00 Start</p><p>[00:01:08] Detransitioning after long-term experience.</p><p>[00:07:03] Life as a man pretending.</p><p>[00:09:36] Transition and survival narrative.</p><p>[00:14:45] Transformation through faith.</p><p>[00:18:10] Childhood aspirations and challenges.</p><p>[00:23:35] Antisocial behavior in childhood.</p><p>[00:26:39] Antisocial behavior and redemption.</p><p>[00:35:05] Father-son relationship and reconciliation.</p><p>[00:37:33] Gender identity and parental conflict.</p><p>[00:40:21] The power of affirmation.</p><p>[00:48:25] Decision to transition.</p><p>[00:49:49] Hormone effects and personal experiences.</p><p>[00:56:24] Euphoria of life-changing transitions.</p><p>[01:02:25] Trans community's impact on women.</p><p>[01:03:34] Transformation through faith and repentance.</p><p>[01:08:30] The nature of sin.</p><p>[01:12:50] Transformation through faith.</p><p>[01:18:47] Dating after gender transition.</p><p>[01:20:47] Detransitioning and surgical challenges.</p><p>[01:27:44] Detransitioning and its consequences.</p><p>[01:29:23] Support for parents of “trans” youth.</p><p>[01:33:25] Promoting William's new book.</p><p><a href="http://rogdrepair.com/">ROGD REPAIR</a> Course + Community gives concerned parents instant access to over 120 lessons providing the psychological insights and communication tools you need to get through to your kid. Use code SOMETHERAPIST2025 to take 50% off your first month.</p><p><br></p><p>TALK TO ME: <a href="https://calendly.com/sometherapist/">book a meeting</a>.</p><p><br></p><p>PRODUCTION: Looking for your own podcast producer? Visit <a href="http://PodsByNick.com">PodsByNick.com</a> and mention my podcast for 20% off your initial services.</p><p><br></p><p>SUPPORT THE SHOW: subscribe, like, comment, & share or <a href="https://www.sometherapist.com/donate">donate</a>.</p><p><br></p><p>ORGANIFI: Take 20% off <a href="http://organifi.com/sometherapist">Organifi</a> with code SOMETHERAPIST.</p><p><br></p><p>Watch <a href="https://nowaybackfilm.com/">NO WAY BACK: The Reality of Gender-Affirming Care</a>. Use code SOMETHERAPIST to take 20% off your order.</p><p><br></p><p>SHOW NOTES & transcript with help from <a href="https://www.swellai.com/?via=sometherapist">SwellAI</a>.</p><p><br></p><p>MUSIC: Thanks to <a href="https://www.joeypecoraro.com/">Joey Pecoraro</a> for our song, “Half Awake,” used with gratitude & permission.</p><p><br> <a href="https://bio.site/sometherapist">ALL OTHER LINKS HERE.</a></p><p><br></p> <br><p>To support this show, please leave a rating & review on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-must-be-some-kind-of-therapist/id1612777134">Apple</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3g73xg37dTN3OqnnQBZYiV">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.sometherapist.com/listen">wherever you get your podcasts</a>. Subscribe, like, comment & share via my <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgj5mELe7dL_v-QbyoN6lwg">YouTube channel</a>. Or recommend this to a friend!</p><p><a href="https://donoharmmedicine.org/sometherapist/">Learn more about <strong>Do No Harm.</strong></a></p><p><br></p><p>Take <strong>$200 off</strong> your EightSleep Pod Pro Cover with code <strong>SOMETHERAPIST at</strong> <a href="https://www.eightsleep.com/">EightSleep.com</a>.</p><p>Take <strong>20% off </strong>all superfood beverages with code <strong>SOMETHERAPIST </strong>at <a href="http://organifi.com/sometherapist">Organifi</a>.</p><p>Check out my shop for <a href="https://www.sometherapist.com/bookshop">book recommendations</a> + <a href="https://www.sometherapist.com/shop-wellness-products">wellness products</a>.</p><p><strong>Show notes & transcript</strong> provided with the help of <a href="https://swellai.com/?via=sometherapist">SwellAI</a>.</p><p>Special thanks to <a href="https://www.joeypecoraro.com/">Joey Pecoraro</a> for our theme song, “Half Awake,” used with gratitude and permission.</p><p><br><a href="https://nowaybackfilm.com/">Watch <strong>NO WAY BACK: The Reality of Gender-Affirming Care</strong></a><strong> </strong>(our medical ethics documentary, formerly known as Affirmation Generation). 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