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无商业，不生活。欢迎收听声音杂志“现在进行时”。 "现在进行时”是一档由“未来预想图”推出的播客。未来预想图是由《第一财经》杂志推出的一个面向年轻人的生活方式项目，团队主要设立在东京，关注建筑与设计，店铺与零售，城市与商业，媒体与文化等领域，以独立客观视角观察日本乃至全球的新鲜事，希望与你共同打开视野，建立属于自己的生活方式。 微信公众号：未来预想图（D-labo）
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April 8, 2025
<p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><img data-key="0" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/e380-audiofreehighqps/FF/F8/GKwRIW4LyttVABeq5gOSg3a4.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/e380-audiofreehighqps/FF/F8/GKwRIW4LyttVABeq5gOSg3a4.jpg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/e380-audiofreehighqps/FF/F8/GKwRIW4LyttVABeq5gOSg3a4.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="588.2107023411371" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/e380-audiofreehighqps/FF/F8/GKwRIW4LyttVABeq5gOSg3a4.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="109.79933110367894"><br></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>建筑师们常常要在有限的预算内找到对抗无聊的解法。而那个在上海设计了天安千树和世博会英国馆的建筑师，又有了一个野心勃勃的新计划。</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>设计师</span><span>托马斯·赫斯维克（Thomas Heatherwick）</span><span>在 2023 年出版了新书《</span><span>人本主义：一位匠造者的世界建设指南</span><span>》。之后的两年间，他不断为其奔波，宣扬其深信不疑的设计理念：</span><span>当建筑设计者对建筑倾注了感情，</span><span>设计了令人动容的细节，才能让建筑为人所爱—人们会愿意走出家门，愿意保护和修缮建筑。</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>这是一期番外节目，基于我们采访</span><span>赫斯维克的录音制作。本节目全程使用英语。</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>*本期内容刊登于《第一财经》杂志4月刊“未来预想图”专栏。我们规划了版面，放上了许多项目配图，更易于理解，推荐大家一读。</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">https://www.cbnweek.com/article_detail/32797</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">| 受访人 |</strong></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>托马斯·赫斯维克（Thomas Heatherwick）</span><span>设计</span><span>师</span><span>、建筑师</span><span>，Heatherwick Studio 创始人</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">| 采访人 |</strong></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>邢梦妮 未来预想图编辑</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">| 时间轴 |</strong></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>01:07 Heatherwick 如何用一句话总结“人本主义”？</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>07:11 为什么选择在 2023 年出版《人本主义》这本书？</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>14:55 如何说服开发商接受自己的设计理念？</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>20:03 位于西安的新作：生命之树</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>28:12 人本主义并不一定与地标建筑挂钩</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>34:50 Heatherwick 为什么认为中国建筑</span><span>界</span><span>比英国</span><span>的</span><span>更加“有希望”？</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>41:19 如何用有限的预算对抗无聊？</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>52:35 如何处理例如交通枢纽这样的</span><span>大型</span><span>项目？</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>59:21 建筑界需要新的文化领袖吗？</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">| 后期制作 |</strong></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>潘鑫</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">| 收听方式 |</strong></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>你可以通过小宇宙播客 App、苹果播客、Spotify、喜马拉雅、网易云音乐、豆瓣播客、QQ 音乐等平台收听节目。</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">| 认识我们 |</strong></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>微信公众号：未来预想图</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>联系我们，管理员 D 桑微信号：dream-labo</span></p><br>
April 8, 2025
<p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><img data-key="0" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/be21-audiofreehighqps/60/03/GKwRIasLytpbAB45rgOSgqb6.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/be21-audiofreehighqps/60/03/GKwRIasLytpbAB45rgOSgqb6.jpg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/be21-audiofreehighqps/60/03/GKwRIasLytpbAB45rgOSgqb6.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="588.2107023411371" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/be21-audiofreehighqps/60/03/GKwRIasLytpbAB45rgOSgqb6.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="109.79933110367894"><br></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>上海天安千树，这座商业综合体在还未完全建成时就充满了争议：它的体量巨大，外观颇为出挑</span><span>。</span><span>天安千树</span><span>出自托马斯·赫斯维克（Thomas Heatherwick）之手，他也设计了 2010 年上海世博会英国馆——那个长满了刺的“蒲公英”，2012 年他还为伦敦奥运会设计了主火炬塔。</span></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>赫斯维克习惯</span><span>称自己为“设计师”，而非“建筑师”。近期，我们采访了他，你可以在同步发布的番外节目中听到采访原录音。</span><span>赫斯维克的</span><span>《</span><span>人本主义</span><span>》在 2023 年出版，直到现在他仍在为此奔波。你也许会认为</span><span>这是一本大师作品</span><span>集，但如果你打开它，会发现作者没怎么提他做的项目，而是向我们介绍他喜爱的建筑师、建筑、艺术史、业界的利益关系，试图讨论他深信不疑的设计理念。</span></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>赫斯维克常常创造“奇观”，同时也为自己能精准预算控制而自豪。你能从他的作品中看到百年前英国工艺美术运动的影子，他用其反抗现代建筑的“</span><span>扁平、光滑、笔直</span><span>”，或者用他的话说——“无聊”。本期节目，我们邀请了建筑师、《城市罐头》主播 Yao 一起聊聊，赫斯维克口中的“人本主义”是什么？打破无聊为什么这么重要？</span></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">| 嘉宾 |</strong></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>Yao 建筑师、《城市罐头》主播</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>邢梦妮 未来预想图编辑</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">| 主播 |</strong></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>赵慧 未来预想图主编</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">| 时间轴 |</strong></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>00:41 三位主播对</span><span>赫斯维克对作品有什么印象？</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>16:26 赫斯维克所说的“人本主义”在讲什么？</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>24:20 赫斯维克与英国工艺美术运动</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>30:07 “人本主义”是符合如今城市发展需求的吗？</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>32:46 赫斯维克为什么认为柯布西耶是“无聊之神”？</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>38:46 城市中的无聊体验有哪些？</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>50:22 主播们心中的“人本主义”：友好、便利、包容无目的</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>01:00:00 总归要谈钱：预算有限的情况下，怎么把钱花到刀刃上？</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>01:07:56 “士绅化”被反复批评，但它也许会是城市自由生长的种子</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">| 延伸阅读 |</strong></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>节目中提到的项目：</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>01:49 Coal Drops Yard 购物中心（伦敦）</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><img data-key="1" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/f8b6-audiofreehighqps/2B/4A/GAqhQ6cLytqwAApUGgOSgu41.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/f8b6-audiofreehighqps/2B/4A/GAqhQ6cLytqwAApUGgOSgu41.jpg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/f8b6-audiofreehighqps/2B/4A/GAqhQ6cLytqwAApUGgOSgu41.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="512.2058823529412" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/f8b6-audiofreehighqps/2B/4A/GAqhQ6cLytqwAApUGgOSgu41.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="95.61176470588236"><br></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>05:07 </span><span>The </span><span>Vessel（纽约）</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><img data-key="2" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/2525-audiofreehighqps/34/AE/GAqhp50LytrBAAhUJwOSgvuP.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/2525-audiofreehighqps/34/AE/GAqhp50LytrBAAhUJwOSgvuP.jpg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/2525-audiofreehighqps/34/AE/GAqhp50LytrBAAhUJwOSgvuP.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="1024.21875" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/2525-audiofreehighqps/34/AE/GAqhp50LytrBAAhUJwOSgvuP.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="191.1875"><br></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>06:29 Little Island 水上公园（纽约）</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><img data-key="3" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/879c-audiofreehighqps/22/6B/GKwRIRwLytrJAAmuqAOSgwHV.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/879c-audiofreehighqps/22/6B/GKwRIRwLytrJAAmuqAOSgwHV.jpg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/879c-audiofreehighqps/22/6B/GKwRIRwLytrJAAmuqAOSgwHV.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="499.8529411764706" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/879c-audiofreehighqps/22/6B/GKwRIRwLytrJAAmuqAOSgwHV.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="93.30588235294118"><img data-key="4" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/ba28-audiofreehighqps/29/67/GAqh4zILytrRAAovRQOSgwhy.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/ba28-audiofreehighqps/29/67/GAqh4zILytrRAAovRQOSgwhy.jpg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/ba28-audiofreehighqps/29/67/GAqh4zILytrRAAovRQOSgwhy.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="499.8529411764706" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/ba28-audiofreehighqps/29/67/GAqh4zILytrRAAovRQOSgwhy.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="93.30588235294118"><br></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>08:15 Lantern house（纽约）</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><img data-key="5" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/4dc8-audiofreehighqps/40/93/GKwRIW4LytrZAB--RAOSgw3x.png!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/4dc8-audiofreehighqps/40/93/GKwRIW4LytrZAB--RAOSgw3x.png?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/4dc8-audiofreehighqps/40/93/GKwRIW4LytrZAB--RAOSgw3x.png!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="970.3791469194313" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/4dc8-audiofreehighqps/40/93/GKwRIW4LytrZAB--RAOSgw3x.png!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="181.13744075829382"><br></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>08:46 蔡茨非洲当代艺术博物馆（Zeitz MOCAA）（</span><span>开普敦</span><span>）</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><img data-key="6" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/22ea-audiofreehighqps/31/0C/GAqh1QQLytrlAATk8QOSgxcE.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/22ea-audiofreehighqps/31/0C/GAqh1QQLytrlAATk8QOSgxcE.jpg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/22ea-audiofreehighqps/31/0C/GAqh1QQLytrlAATk8QOSgxcE.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="1125" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/22ea-audiofreehighqps/31/0C/GAqh1QQLytrlAATk8QOSgxcE.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="210"><br></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><img data-key="7" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/e2ce-audiofreehighqps/66/99/GAqh9sALytrtAAQ7jgOSgx31.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/e2ce-audiofreehighqps/66/99/GAqh9sALytrtAAQ7jgOSgx31.jpg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/e2ce-audiofreehighqps/66/99/GAqh9sALytrtAAQ7jgOSgx31.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="1093.75" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/e2ce-audiofreehighqps/66/99/GAqh9sALytrtAAQ7jgOSgx31.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="204.16666666666666"><br></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>09:33 天安千树（上海）</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><img data-key="8" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/be59-audiofreehighqps/77/7A/GAqhfD0Lytr0AAYnIAOSgySr.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/be59-audiofreehighqps/77/7A/GAqhfD0Lytr0AAYnIAOSgySr.jpg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/be59-audiofreehighqps/77/7A/GAqhfD0Lytr0AAYnIAOSgySr.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="1001.5625" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/be59-audiofreehighqps/77/7A/GAqhfD0Lytr0AAYnIAOSgySr.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="186.95833333333334"><br></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>12:34 麻布台之丘（东京）</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><img data-key="9" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/efe0-audiofreehighqps/84/E3/GAqhfD0Lytr7AAlr8QOSgyp3.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/efe0-audiofreehighqps/84/E3/GAqhfD0Lytr7AAlr8QOSgyp3.jpg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/efe0-audiofreehighqps/84/E3/GAqhfD0Lytr7AAlr8QOSgyp3.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="421.764705882353" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/efe0-audiofreehighqps/84/E3/GAqhfD0Lytr7AAlr8QOSgyp3.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="78.72941176470589"><br></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>26:47 复星艺术中心（上海）</span></p><p 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style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>01:01:07 上海世博会英国馆</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><img data-key="11" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/9540-audiofreehighqps/46/E4/GAqhQ6cLytsOACLsiwOSgzup.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/9540-audiofreehighqps/46/E4/GAqhQ6cLytsOACLsiwOSgzup.jpg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/9540-audiofreehighqps/46/E4/GAqhQ6cLytsOACLsiwOSgzup.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="500" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/9540-audiofreehighqps/46/E4/GAqhQ6cLytsOACLsiwOSgzup.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="93.33333333333333"><br></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>01:00:27 西安中央文化商务区</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><img data-key="12" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/d28c-audiofreehighqps/74/27/GAqhqKwLytsUAAk1EgOSg0BA.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/d28c-audiofreehighqps/74/27/GAqhqKwLytsUAAk1EgOSg0BA.jpg?op_type=0" 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<p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><img data-key="0" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/f4b2-audiofreehighqps/42/75/GKwRIJILuEnRABPfewOF8fav.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/f4b2-audiofreehighqps/42/75/GKwRIJILuEnRABPfewOF8fav.jpg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/f4b2-audiofreehighqps/42/75/GKwRIJILuEnRABPfewOF8fav.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="588.2107023411371" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/f4b2-audiofreehighqps/42/75/GKwRIJILuEnRABPfewOF8fav.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="109.79933110367894"><br></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>适合结伴赏樱的日子里，不少人却迎来了难熬的时节。</span><span>喷嚏、鼻涕、眼痒等症状齐上阵——花粉症来了。</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>花粉在不少国家都在慢慢成为“大问题”。《美国国家科学院院刊》上的一项研究发现，1990 年至 2018 年间，北美花粉季节的长度增加了 20 天，花粉浓度增加了 21%。在日本，每十年花粉症的患病率就增长大约 10%。</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>如果你饱受花粉症困扰，那一定对过敏原不陌生——花粉症大多数时候并不是花儿的错，而是杉树、柏树、柳树等树木的风媒花粉引起的。那么，为什么我们生活的城市会有这么多过敏原？既然知道是特定树种的问题，为什么不选择砍掉它们？当向往着“开窗见绿”的城市生活时，我们可能也在付出一些代价。本期节目，我们就来聊聊花粉症这个大问题。</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>图为“花粉光环”现象——漂浮在空气中的花粉因光的衍射，在太阳周围形成色彩鲜艳的环状光芒。请注意，这是“花粉大量飞散的信号”。图片来源｜</span><span>koyomidori.net</span></p><br><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;"><span>| 主播 |</span></strong></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>赵慧 未来预想图主编</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;"><span>| 时间轴 |</span></strong></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>00:52 花粉症是花儿的错吗？</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>03:19 为什么最近患花粉症的人变多了？</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>05:33 日本人不砍树，是为了保护自然吗？ </span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>09:37 简单粗暴地砍树可行不通</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>12:31 重新种植和间伐是两个好方法，但它们并不容易推进</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>17:18 几十年前种下的树，可能已经不符合现在的需求了</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>19:37 从“源头”、“监测”和“治疗”三个角度来解决花粉症问题</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;"><span>| 延伸阅读 |</span></strong></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>知识分子：《过敏都怪种错了树？砍了它不行吗？》</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>https://mp.wei</span>xin.qq.com/s/df1iCUBRB-iPMoPF4zlITA</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>东京都在 2005 年成立了跨部门的花粉症对策本部</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>https://www.sangyo-rodo.metro.tokyo.lg.jp/nourin/ringyou/promotion/kafun/taisakuhonbu</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>日本政府对花粉症的三大应对方案</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>https://www.gov-online.go.jp/tokusyu/kafunnsyou/#</span>cut</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>空気で答えを出す会社（用空气给出答案的公司）</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">https://www.daikin.co.jp/air</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;"><span>| 后期制作 |</span></strong></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>潘鑫</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;"><span>| 收听方式 |</span></strong></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>你可以通过小宇宙播客 App、苹果播客、Spotify、喜马拉雅、网易云音乐、豆瓣播客、QQ 音乐等平台收听节目。</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;"><span>| 认识我们 |</span></strong></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>微信公众号：未来预想图</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>联系我们，管理员 D 桑微信号：dream-labo</span></p><br>
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