by 吴琦
<p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>「螺丝在拧紧」是单读主编吴琦的播客。</span><span>在剧烈的社会转型中，我们继续提出问题，展开对话，以独立的洞察，创造新的文化空气，和同代人一起，完成自己擅长且热爱的事。</span></p><span><br /></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">当旧标准开始松动，螺丝也往新的方向拧。在“小地方“、“愉悦清单”等专题节目中，我们邀请朋友一起散步，分享一手的生命经验，共同寻找未来的希望，以及更宽松、正直、值得一过的生活。</p>
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April 9, 2025
<p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><img data-key="0" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/b11a-audiofreehighqps/52/2B/GKwRIUELzC_GAA84dQOTRRk_.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/b11a-audiofreehighqps/52/2B/GKwRIUELzC_GAA84dQOTRRk_.jpg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/b11a-audiofreehighqps/52/2B/GKwRIUELzC_GAA84dQOTRRk_.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="746.625" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/b11a-audiofreehighqps/52/2B/GKwRIUELzC_GAA84dQOTRRk_.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="139.37"><br></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">本期声音｜耿军，导演、编剧、制片人<br></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">主播｜吴琦，单读主编</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">几天前，一位香港记者在闲谈时问主播吴琦，内地的图书市场到底发生了什么？<span>“</span>明明看起来书的品类很多，各种榜单和奖项也不断<span>......”</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">这让他意识到，当我们关注文艺行业的时候，不能仅仅关注那些浮出水面的东西。<b><span>“</span>我们想看历史的变化的时候，可能要去看那些没有获得机会、没有被出版的书，或者那些在出版过程中遇到各种各样的阻碍的书，以及那些由于各种各样的原因不能与观众直接见面的电影。<span>”</span></b></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">「螺丝在拧紧」今年决定开启<span>“</span><b>多元电影时刻</b><span>”</span>专题。这里的多元电影，指的不仅是有先锋的形式或者当下的题材的电影，也包含那些受到喜爱但不容易被观看的电影。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">在这个<span>“</span>电影已死<span>”</span>变成老生常谈，而想看的电影无迹可寻的吊诡时刻，我们请来了<b>耿军</b>导演，请他谈谈他的新作<b>《漂亮朋友》</b>。这部讲述东北中年男女的同性之爱的电影去年获得了四项金马奖，却只在台北、高雄、东京等地参加了一些影展。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">然而，不论是在节目的录制过程中，还是在他的电影里，耿军都为我们带来了一种<span>“</span>不能解释的乐观<span>”</span>。他爱开玩笑，也爱讲故事，他用幽默又扎实的讲述，回应了我们对电影的种种疑惑<span>——</span>当一部电影很多人想看却看不到，导演怎么回应这些声音？参加作为<span>“</span>直男<span>”</span>创作者，如何理解并表达中年同性恋群体的故事？怎么看待文艺电影在今天的环境里的位置？</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">更重要的是，为什么这么乐观？在节目的尾声，耿军导演带我们回到了电影《东北虎》的结尾，主人公回忆起自己十九岁时得的那场重感冒，妈妈跟他说，<b><span>“</span>我们一起挺过今天，明天可有意思了，未来可好了<span>”</span></b>。他说：妈妈说的<span>“</span>明天可有意思了，未来可好了<span>”</span>，<b>不就是我们的现在吗？</b></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><img data-key="1" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/1343-audiofreehighqps/A6/AB/GAqhp50LzDBUAAYK7AOTRaGe.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/1343-audiofreehighqps/A6/AB/GAqhp50LzDBUAAYK7AOTRaGe.jpg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/1343-audiofreehighqps/A6/AB/GAqhp50LzDBUAAYK7AOTRaGe.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="825.5623242736644" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/1343-audiofreehighqps/A6/AB/GAqhp50LzDBUAAYK7AOTRaGe.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="154.10496719775068"><img data-key="2" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/44da-audiofreehighqps/4B/83/GKwRIUELzDBHAA18zgOTRZVj.png!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/44da-audiofreehighqps/4B/83/GKwRIUELzDBHAA18zgOTRZVj.png?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/44da-audiofreehighqps/4B/83/GKwRIUELzDBHAA18zgOTRZVj.png!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="428.52120928052494" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/44da-audiofreehighqps/4B/83/GKwRIUELzDBHAA18zgOTRZVj.png!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="79.99062573236466"></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">｜时间线｜<span><br></span><span>01:14“</span>我们决定不仅要聊电影，还要多聊<span>”<br>09:36 </span>耿军：疫情期间，我想拍一部人与人之间信任、尊重、拥抱，互相高看一眼的电影<span><br>16:27 </span>吴琦：回到了偷感更重的文艺创作方式<span><br>19:05 </span>电影有很多人想看却看不到，导演怎么回应？<span><br>34:34</span>异性恋团队拍同性故事，如何走进角色的内心？<span><br>44:14 </span>每一句废话，都是对一个好角色的损伤<span><br>53:49 </span>面对成功，<span>“</span>高兴半个月得了<span>”<br>60:23 </span>在剧组里，越抹不开说的越要说清楚，<span>“</span>心里贼坦然<span>”<br>68:14 </span>耿军：我不愿意把拍电影描绘得特别悲观，因为悲观就在眼前<span><br>75:50 </span>吴琦：总有导演得不到电影票，但他们都对当时的社会发出过声音<span><br><br></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">｜工具箱｜<span><br></span><span>-</span>谈话中提到的影视作品<span><br></span>《东北虎》（<span>2021</span>），导演：耿军<span><br></span>《锤子镰刀都休息》（<span>2013</span>），导演：耿军<span><br></span>《轻松<span> + </span>愉快》（<span>2017</span>），导演：耿军<span><br></span>《青年》（<span>2009</span>），导演：耿军<span><br></span>《烧烤》（<span>2004</span>），导演：耿军<span><br></span>《漂亮朋友》（<span>2024</span>），导演：耿军<span><br></span>《鬼子来了》（<span>2000</span>），导演：姜文<span><br></span>《在一起》（<span>2010</span>），导演：赵亮<span><br></span>《最爱》（<span>2011</span>），导演：顾长卫<span><br></span>《年少日记》（<span>2023</span>），导演：卓亦谦<span><br></span>《乘船而去》（<span>2023</span>），导演：陈小雨<span><br><br></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">｜互动方式｜<span><br></span>如果你对本期话题或本节目有任何想法或问题，请大胆在各收听平台评论区留言，或者微博吴琦<span>@</span>五七<span>@</span>耿军<span>_GengJun</span>与主播和嘉宾互动。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">｜本期音乐｜<span><br></span>别绝望，陈筱舒</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">｜本期封面｜<span><br></span>摄影：吴琦<span><br><br></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><span>｜关于「螺丝在拧紧」｜<span><br></span></span></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><span>监制：彭倩媛<span><br></span>制作人：胡亚萍<span><br></span>编辑：菜市场<span><br></span>剪辑：椋生<span><br></span>视觉设计：李政坷 欧梦婷<span><br></span>节目运营：刘雨萱<span><br></span>原创音乐：徐逍潇</span></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">实习生：许婉欣</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><img data-key="3" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/cc0c-audiofreehighqps/5E/7F/GAqhp50LzDA3AAp6EAOTRYTv.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/cc0c-audiofreehighqps/5E/7F/GAqhp50LzDA3AAp6EAOTRYTv.jpg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/cc0c-audiofreehighqps/5E/7F/GAqhp50LzDA3AAp6EAOTRYTv.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="1245.7347275729223" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/cc0c-audiofreehighqps/5E/7F/GAqhp50LzDA3AAp6EAOTRYTv.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="232.5371491469455"><br></p><br>
March 26, 2025
<p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><img data-key="0" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/2040-audiofreehighqps/7D/6A/GAqh_aQLubqPAAK0CQOHPFQk.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/2040-audiofreehighqps/7D/6A/GAqh_aQLubqPAAK0CQOHPFQk.jpg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/2040-audiofreehighqps/7D/6A/GAqh_aQLubqPAAK0CQOHPFQk.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="750" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/2040-audiofreehighqps/7D/6A/GAqh_aQLubqPAAK0CQOHPFQk.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="140"><br></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">本期声音｜李沁云，作者、心理咨询师和精神分析候选人</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">主播｜吴琦，单读主编</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">在过年回家的旅途中，主播吴琦读了《心的表达》这本书。这本关于精神分析的书给他带来了深深的感动<span>——</span>它把处理个人的经验妥善地放入了求取新知的框架之内。春节之后，他决心要认识这本书的作者，<span>“</span>我想听她说话<span>”</span>。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">在「螺丝在拧紧」录制之前，李沁云已经是吴琦在豆瓣上关注了十多年的<span>“</span>老朋友<span>”</span>。在这十多年的时间里，她从心理系毕业后转入文学系，在任教期间又决定进入临床心理学的领域，目前在美国波士顿做心理咨询师、精神分析候选人。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">在中国，心理咨询的能见度正在上升。但在具体的理解上<span>——</span>心理咨询能提供什么？精神分析在其中是一个什么样的流派？分析师与来访者之间是什么样的关系？<span>——</span>大多数人仍然一头雾水，甚至心底有隐隐的抗拒。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">这期节目里，李沁云带我们走进了她真实的精神分析师生涯，坦言<span>“</span>咨询师并非全知全能，而是带着自己的挣扎与处境工作<span>”</span>。她也认真地告诉我们，在治愈与被治愈的过程中，分析师与受访者双方都有可能获得超预期的收获：精神分析不仅仅是认识人的内心世界的过程，更是<span>“</span>一场心与心的奇遇<span>”</span>。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">在交谈的过程中，吴琦说自己<span>“</span>产生了一种幻觉，仿佛走进了分析室<span>”</span>。在这个令人忧郁的早春，希望这期节目能像一张长沙发，给你一小片与自己的心灵对话的空间。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">不过，春天的好消息是：「螺丝在拧紧」<span>100 </span>期了！正值第<span> 100 </span>期关注成长创伤与心理健康，我们也在上海组织了一场早春见面会，邀请你来到线下，与主播一起谈谈生命中的磨损与焕新（文末扫码报名）。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">｜时间线｜<span><br></span><span>04:16</span><span>在国内的语境里，如何认知<span>“</span>精神分析<span>”</span>？<span><br>04:50</span>李沁云：精神分析是一场心与心的奇遇<span><br>07:20“</span>我本来是想当作家的<span>”</span>，但是<span>……<br>14:22</span>要成为精神分析师，必须接受精神分析？<span><br>17:51</span>来访者需要了解自己的咨询师吗？<span><br>24:40</span>精神分析师的共情是否有边界？<span><br>28:07</span>精神分析的三个目标：<span><br>——</span>认识你自己<span><br>——</span>拓宽人的内心空间<span><br>——</span>有活力去爱<span><br>38:38</span>人生中三个普遍性的创伤时刻<span><br>40:19</span>创伤令人孤独，但关系让爱流动<span><br>55:58“</span>要实现心灵的成长，就是帮助自己内心的孩子长大成人<span>”<br>58:11“</span>难得糊涂<span>”</span>的文化里，直面深渊的理由</span><span><br></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">｜工具箱｜<span><br></span><span>-</span>谈话中提到的书籍<span><br></span>《心的表达》，李沁云著<span><br></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">｜互动方式｜<span><br></span>如果你对本期话题或本节目有任何想法或问题，请大胆在各收听平台评论区留言，或者微博吴琦<span>@</span>五七、<span>@</span>李沁云与主播和嘉宾互动。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">�螺丝春日见面会（扫码报名，上海见～）</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><img data-key="1" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/1e09-audiofreehighqps/CB/81/GKwRIDoLubqzADJRnwOHPHFw.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/1e09-audiofreehighqps/CB/81/GKwRIDoLubqzADJRnwOHPHFw.jpg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/1e09-audiofreehighqps/CB/81/GKwRIDoLubqzADJRnwOHPHFw.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="1333.3333333333333" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/1e09-audiofreehighqps/CB/81/GKwRIDoLubqzADJRnwOHPHFw.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="248.88888888888889"><br></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>｜本期音乐｜</span><span><br>Falling You</span><span>，曾可妮</span><span> / </span><span>都智文</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">｜本期封面｜<span><br></span>摄影：吴琦<span><br><br></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><span>｜关于「螺丝在拧紧」｜<span><br></span></span></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><span>监制：彭倩媛<span><br></span>制作人：胡亚萍<span><br></span>编辑：菜市场<span><br></span>剪辑：椋生<span><br></span>视觉设计：李政坷 欧梦婷<span><br></span>节目运营：刘雨萱</span></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">原创音乐：徐逍潇</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>实习生：许婉欣</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><img data-key="2" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/dff5-audiofreehighqps/7F/29/GKwRIJILubrFAAp6EAOHPICk.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/dff5-audiofreehighqps/7F/29/GKwRIJILubrFAAp6EAOHPICk.jpg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/dff5-audiofreehighqps/7F/29/GKwRIJILubrFAAp6EAOHPICk.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="1245.7347275729223" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/dff5-audiofreehighqps/7F/29/GKwRIJILubrFAAp6EAOHPICk.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="232.5371491469455"><br></span></p>
February 19, 2025
<p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><img data-key="0" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/efff-audiofreehighqps/64/27/GAqhqKwLi0PZAAQ7CANpscup.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/efff-audiofreehighqps/64/27/GAqhqKwLi0PZAAQ7CANpscup.jpg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/efff-audiofreehighqps/64/27/GAqhqKwLi0PZAAQ7CANpscup.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="750" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/efff-audiofreehighqps/64/27/GAqhqKwLi0PZAAQ7CANpscup.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="140"><br></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">本期声音｜胡安焉，作家；贾行家，作家，《大望局》播客主理人</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">主播｜吴琦，单读主编</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">在《生活在低处》里，胡安焉写下了自己在南方开女装店时，与一位有精神问题的女顾客的会面。她走进他的店面，没有进入试衣间，而是在众目睽睽之下，接连套上了三条牛仔短裤。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>“</span>我的眼睛也湿了，眼泪随时要夺眶而出<span>……”</span>他写道，<span>“</span>从她的脸上，我清清楚楚地看到了自己，她就是另一个我<span>——</span>惊慌，恐惧，孤独，委屈，被人不怀好意地围观，腿上还挂着三条牛仔短裤<span>——</span>只不过我还有力气遮掩，她却只能就这么袒露出来<span>……”</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">这个故事，以及他在这期节目开头分享的另一个故事，促使胡安焉反思有意义的生活应当追求些什么。写作和阅读会是答案吗？还是通向答案的许多条路之中，容易被误认为答案的那一条？</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">这是贯穿本期「螺丝在拧紧」与「大望局」的串台节目的问题。其他的问题也隐隐地探向生活的<span>“</span>低处<span>”——</span>也可以说是<span>“</span>深处<span>”</span>：<b>在恶意四涌的环境里，你要在多大程度上<span>“</span>适者生存<span>”</span>，多大程度上<span>“</span>拒不交出<span>”</span>？</b>你如何面对自己偶然暴露的、连自己也不知道的一面？柔弱真的与智慧相伴而行吗？</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">｜时间线｜<span><br></span><span>01:17 </span>自我介绍之前，先各讲一个故事<span>——<br></span>胡安焉：在医院门前，处于<span>“</span>特殊状态<span>”</span>的两位妇女<span><br></span>吴琦：那个买水果的大姐，成了有名的<span>“</span>鸭腿阿姨<span>”<br>07:51 </span>只要把头低下，总有人比你的处境更艰难<span><br>20:14 </span>在南方开女装店，<span>“</span>你必须要学会口腹蜜剑<span>”<br>31:18</span>《我在北京送快递》总被误以为是一个<span>“</span>喜欢文学的快递员<span>”</span>的故事<span><br>33:56</span>三个<span>“</span>天问<span>”</span>：<span><br></span>你们正在过什么样的生活？你理想的生活是什么样的？你认为生活是什么？<span><br>39:56</span>胡安焉：真正<span>“</span>低物欲<span>”</span>的人，不会有<span>“</span>低物欲<span>”</span>的概念<span><br>43:11</span>吴琦：所谓<span>“</span>社会化<span>”</span>的过程，根本没有帮助你克服恐惧，反而不断为恐惧增加新的内容<span><br>49:13</span>贾行家：隐居生活的困难，在于斩断被别人需要的需要<span><br>59:51“</span>仿佛这一生是偷来的、赚来的，所以当中经历的所有痛苦和欢乐，都是不应得但得到的东西<span>”<br>1:04:40 </span>你是否曾暴露出连自己都不知道的一面？<span><br>1:08:50“</span>很多人因为无法面对自己的肮脏，才不停地讴歌母亲<span>”<br>1:10:44 </span>阅读与写作，对一个人的意义是什么？<span><br> 1:25:39 </span>最后，去读书吧！<span><br><img data-key="1" 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data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/53ee-audiofreehighqps/C1/5A/GAqhF9kLi0QTAA18zgNpsd6r.png!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="428.52120928052494" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/53ee-audiofreehighqps/C1/5A/GAqhF9kLi0QTAA18zgNpsd6r.png!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="79.99062573236466"><br></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">｜工具箱｜<span><br></span><span>-</span>谈话中提到的书籍<span><br></span>《生活在低处》，胡安焉著<span><br></span>《我在北京送快递》，胡安焉著<span><br></span>《一件小小的好事》，［美］雷蒙德<span>·</span>卡佛著<span><br></span>《麦田里的守望者》，<span>[</span>美<span>] J. D. </span>塞林格著<span><br></span>《九故事》，<span>[</span>美<span>] J. D. </span>塞林格著<span><br></span>《人，岁月，生活》，［苏联］爱伦堡著<span><br></span>《悲伤与理智》，<span>[</span>美<span>] </span>约瑟夫<span>·</span>布罗茨基著<span><br></span>《词与物》，［法］米歇尔<span>·</span>福柯著<span><br></span>《我不想保持正确：拉图尔对塞尔的五次访谈》，<span>[</span>法<span>] </span>米歇尔<span>·</span>塞尔 、<span>[</span>法<span>] </span>布鲁诺<span>·</span>拉图尔著<span><br></span>《把自己作为方法》，项飙、吴琦著<span><br></span>《篮球飞人》，［日］井上雄彥<span><br><br></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>-</span>谈话中提到的电影<span><br></span>《里斯本丸沉没》（<span>2024</span>），导演：方励<span><br></span>《省港旗兵》（<span>1984</span>），导演：麦当雄<span><br><br></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">｜互动方式｜<span><br></span>如果你对本期话题或本节目有任何想法或问题，请大胆在各收听平台评论区留言，或者微博吴琦<span>@</span>五七与主播互动。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">｜本期音乐｜<span><br>I Think It's Going to Rain Today, Tom Odell</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">｜本期封面｜<span><br></span>摄影：吴琦<span><br><br></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">｜鸣谢｜<span><br></span>大望局播客（制作人：温蒂）<span><br><br></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">｜关于「螺丝在拧紧」｜<span><br></span>监制：彭倩媛<span><br></span>制作人：胡亚萍<span><br></span>编辑：菜市场<span><br></span>剪辑：椋生<span><br></span>视觉设计：李政坷 欧梦婷<span><br></span>节目运营：刘雨萱<span><br></span>原创音乐：徐逍潇<span><br></span>实习生：李天漪</p><img data-key="4" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/af87-audiofreehighqps/01/59/GAqhF9kLi0QfAAp6EANpseNs.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/af87-audiofreehighqps/01/59/GAqhF9kLi0QfAAp6EANpseNs.jpg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/af87-audiofreehighqps/01/59/GAqhF9kLi0QfAAp6EANpseNs.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="1245.7347275729223" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/af87-audiofreehighqps/01/59/GAqhF9kLi0QfAAp6EANpseNs.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="232.5371491469455"><br>
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